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Why are adults sexualizing children? | Gays Against Groomers founder Jaimee Michell
Jaimee Michell is the founder of Gays Against Groomers, a group of gay and trans people who are fighting the trend of sexualizing and indoctrinating children under the guise of the “LGBTQ” movement.
In this episode, Ken talked to Jaimee about why the group’s efforts are so controversial and why they strongly disagree with claims from the LGBTQ community that “groomers” is an anti-LGBTQ slur.
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Today the fight for transgender normalcy often aims at children from kids books to drag shows in libraries to teachers targeting preteens. It's an effort to win over not adults, but the minds of children.
Unknown:Hi, my name is Asad. I'm a preschool teacher. So my classroom celebrates diversity, it's probably my favorite thing to teach. We usually use kids books to talk about this kind of thing. Recently, we started wearing pronoun pins and the kids get to pick a new pronoun pin every we have some that pick like she her every single day. Some people are girls, some are boys. Some are both some are neither are some of the books and tools, but I found the most useful when teaching about gender identity. The goal of the transition closet is for our students to be able to wear the clothes that their parents approve out, come to school, and then swap out into clothes that fit who they truly are.
Ken LaCorte:And the campaigns are effective, with skyrocketing numbers of kids claiming to be transgenders, including 1000s of children under 18. Getting drug treatment and operations. I spoke with Jamie Michelle, the founder of gays against groomers. They're fighting the trend that sexualizing and indoctrinating children under the guise of the LGBT movement. Unsurprisingly, they and she had been attacked as being transphobic, anti gay, and literally banned from nine high tech platforms. Here's what she had to say. Thanks for taking the time to spend with me. So I did just a little bit of looking around on you online. And I discovered some things I discovered that you have a history of promoting white supremacist, that you are a Florida right wing political operative, an anti LGBTQ activist, you're part of obviously an anti trans hate group. And you were accused of fueling so I don't even know how to pronounce this stuff. Airism Thank you, when they make up words to attack you, I usually think that that's that's pretty cool. So why is it so controversial? What you're doing?
Unknown:That's a great question. I'm trying to figure it out myself. I mean, my organization, gays against groomers, all we care about is protecting children. You know, we just want to protect kids from this radical and alphabet indoctrination that is being pushed on them and shoved down their throats and leading them to believe they were born in the wrong body, as well as you know, sexualizing them at a very young age. And the most extreme proponent is medicalizing them, you know, under the guise of gender affirming care when their children so all we care about, you know, we don't care what adults do we say it all the time, like, we are gay adults, we even have some trans people in our organization, and we're not anti us, you know, it's ridiculous. We just want to keep it away from kids. And I don't know why they are so dead set on going after them. I mean, I have some theories. But it's crazy. It's crazy the attacks that have been slung at us. And I don't know, that just tells me that we're doing the right thing. We're over the target and they don't know how to handle us. You know, that's kind of the magical thing about our organization. It's, uh, it's kind of a double edged sword for them. I mean, they come out against us, and they're homophobic or transphobic. Or they are groomers or pedophiles or support those things, you know, it's like, there's no reason to be against us. Unless you're pro that.
Ken LaCorte:Yeah, cuz it's kind of a, they're caught in a weird situation. They're like, on one hand, there's no overlap between pedophilia and trans or gay. On the other hand, attacking pedophilia is attacking us. So therefore, you're anti trans. And that's a little bit of a, I'm not quite sure how that how that works.
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Yeah, it's very strange. You know, we don't believe that all gay all you know, the whole acronym, LGBTQ plus whatever you want to call it. We don't believe all those people are groomers. We're not groomers and you know, nobody ever calls us groomers. We people only call those attacking children groomers and to say that, like it's an anti LGBTQ slur to say the word groomer is some kind of slurs absolutely insane. And they do that specifically, just to shut down the conversation. You know, and a lot of times, you know, before we came along, straight people, God bless them, they, they try till they're blue in the face, but they don't get very far because they're instantly written off as homophobic and transphobic and all the phobics under the sun. But they can't do that with us. And when they do, it comes off as very ridiculous, you know, that doesn't really stick.
Ken LaCorte:Yeah, it puts you in a position that you can say things and do things and, and not get hit by that same level of discourse. I mean, every movement loves to martyr themselves. And sometimes it's fine. I mean, you know, you've got conservatives, you know, when they are blocked on Twitter or banned from Facebook, I mean, they, you know, they, they, they play the martyr card, and it's justified and often gay rights certainly throughout the years. This isn't the first time though that there's been kind of a weird confluence between The Gay Rights Movement and, and pedophilia. I mean when I was growing up in the 80s I remember Nambla was a thing. So the Nambla was the North American Man Boy love Association. Right. And, and, like groups, and you know, they had their own. They called it I think they called it boy love was was there. This isn't our thing. Of course. Now, the new term is maps. I mean, you always tried to give it give it your own thing. And that kind of did create a schism in the gay rights movement, I would say in the late 70s, early 80s. You know, I remember Nambla, marching in gay rights parades in New York City before before, like the tide turned against them. In fact, interestingly, back then it was actually some of the lesbian groups were the most active. It's saying, Why? Why are these people marching in the same parade as us? This isn't the same thing. But then it kind of died out there that that connection, or that issue of, you know, let's actually promote pedophilia kind of died out from the public discourse for for 20 years or so. Why do you think it's coming back?
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Yeah, I mean, I remember those days. I mean, I'm, I'm 38 years old now. So I'm not you know, I was around back in the beginning, not the super beginning. You know, we have our elders that really started this whole, you know, March for protest for Equal Rights, which is all we wanted, and it was a just fight, and we want it and you know, I always said, okay, like, there's no reason to be out here protesting anymore, it's time to go home, we won. Just carry on with your lives, because me and others and gays against groomers, we just want to live our lives, like everybody else, you know, and these people are giving us a really bad name. And so the reason I don't know, they just like it feels like it almost happened overnight. And at the same time, you can see the bill like it building up over decades, you know, but but to be back in the forefront like it is I'm not sure. I really don't know, like, like I said, I have some theories as to why they're doing this. And I think probably the biggest motivator is profit. You know, especially with the transitioning of kids like the pedophile thing is one thing to normalize pedophilia. You know, we could go down the rabbit hole and expose or discuss, you know, just the elites in this world and what they may be up to and why they might want to, you know, normalize pedophilia, but I think that the biggest motivator is probably profit with Big Pharma and just destroying these kids and sterilizing them and, and chopping their body parts off. I mean, once you go down this road of medicalization, it is a lifelong process. It is going to you're going to be a patient for life that requires constant care. And so I know that they see dollar signs on these kids heads. I mean, they see a child walking around a little confused and not knowing who they really are. And they swoop in and tell them oh, you need to be happy to be your true self is, you know, get on Lupron. Oh, maybe you shouldn't have your breasts, you know, and it just, I think that's a really big motivator. As far as the pedophilia, I don't know, I it, it leads me to believe that that was always the goal. You know, which is really upsetting because so many of us to warn of the slippery slope back when we were fighting just for our equal rights. And I thought that they were absolutely insane. I was like, you guys, we literally just want to get married, you know. And so now here we are, and they're gonna be teaching
Ken LaCorte:your kids to be x. Yeah, all of a sudden, it's like, holy shit.
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Yeah. Yeah. So now we're back fighting this again. And it seems like it's full steam ahead. I mean, even a harder push than it used to be back with that. Nambla. I think I'm saying that Nam bla bla bla. Yeah. Um, and it's sad because, you know, the gay community and especially gay men have always been trying to distance themselves from the stigma that they are pedophiles, you know, that gay men are pedophiles or even gay women. And it's you know, I always say that these activists and radicals in all the institutions putting this in our name is doing more harm to our community than even the biggest, you know, homophobe could ever hope to you know, this is really putting a target on our backs. And it's it's crucial we stop it, obviously, first and foremost for the children, but also for ourselves, you know, to reclaim our good standing in society because that is being wiped away very quickly now.
Ken LaCorte:So everybody that does anything at all mildly controversial gets, you can find tweets against them and crazy people saying crazy, crazy things, right? It's like you give away free money and there will be somebody attacking you online. Yeah. Overall, though, in your life. What has been kind of the breakdown of support or Hey, what are you doing from from the gay community specifically?
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Um, you know, I, we get so many messages, I mean, we've probably gotten over 10,000 messages now, since we started six months ago, saying, you know, just people from within the community thanking us, saying that they finally feel like they can be proud to be a part of a community again, that they don't recognize what our community has turned into. They're disgusted by it. And, excuse me. So, you know, the overwhelming majority of messages we get from the community are actually positive, you know, there are those that are just so brainwashed into this ideological cult that they can't, they can't understand or differentiate between, like, you know, being tolerant and accepting of people and just, you know, just normal people just living their lives and the problem going after kids. And so a lot of them think that, you know, they, they parent, the media, talking points that have been set about us, you know, Media Matters has written like, I think nine articles about us now calling us anti LGBTQ extremists and an anti trans hate group. And so you know, people see that the woke people see that and they just parent those, and it's sad, because really, we're trying to help them to, you know, we're really trying to help our community also. And they're part of that, sadly, I mean, I don't like associating with them or even being grouped in together with them, but they are part of the LGBT community. And this is going to hurt them as well, a lot. And you can already see that happening, but I'd say the overwhelming majority is positive and that's from everybody and definitely within our community to
Ken LaCorte:interesting so as you said, there really kind of multiple issues on it. One is like the pure pedophilia thing which is is, is you know, there is definitely a resurgence of I mean, I watched a little bit of actually spared watched through that cuties movie on Netflix, which was, it was basically an hour and a half, you know, under the guise of, of something that is anti pedophilia, they had way too many close up shots on on 12 year old crutches and bras floating in the air. I mean, it was like a, you got to be joking with me type of thing. And then and then you know, just see, I forget the name of the of the of the high end fashion brand that was like sneaking that in there. It's it's almost like bashing it was almost like winks and nods at at pedophilia and kids with with with little little bears on it. And then you're right, it's kind of wrapped up in a weird way with with the transgender types. Because because, you know, I did see you're talking about dollars behind that I did see a speech. And one of the conservative guys had a had a speech of doctors at a conference talking about the kind of massive money they can make on these transitions like that. And it was crazy. And like you say, it's like, that's money they're getting for the rest of their life too. Because, you know, it's not one surgery. It's it's seven surgeries, and it's it's expensive and high end medications throughout their their kind of whole life.
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Exactly. Yeah, I think I know which one you're talking about. That was a doctor speaking. I think it was Vanderbilt somewhere in Tennessee. I'll put it I'll put a link i'll put a link Yeah. But there's been there's been many doctors that have been caught on camera. I mean, you know, just behind closed doors that they don't think the public is going to see another they're giving a in just some meeting like internal meeting, and they're talking about, you know, the procedures that they're doing that they are doing them on children. I mean, there was a doctor, I believe it was somewhere in California Hospital in California, where she was bragging how the one of the patients that she operated on was a 12 year old girl, she gave her a double mastectomy, but she's cutting the breasts, you know, these kids, these kids, many of these kids still believe in Santa to be honest, you know, and it's like, if you believe in fairy tales, you cannot distinguish you cannot, no child can make life altering permanent decisions period. But to say that these young kids who don't even understand the concept of like what's real, and what's fake can can decide their own gender and then go down the path of medicalization, which will have lifelong consequences and side effects and, you know, follow ups and the whole nine. It's just absolutely absurd. I truly every day I'm like, how, how are we here? How did we get here? How is this even a fight that needs to be had? It shouldn't be controversial at all, you know, the fact that we even exist, honestly obsessing. I don't like the gaze against groomers have has to exist. You know, I did an interview not that long ago with someone and he asked Where do I see gays against groomers and 510 15 years from now? And I was just like, honestly, I hope we don't exist anymore. I hope this fight is over. And I know we will win the fight. It's you know, it's a battle for sure because they are dead set on on this agenda and fulfilling it. Well, you're
Ken LaCorte:not yet you kind of have to fight it and you have to push back on that. When you say I'm about 20 years older than you, when you, when you, when you follow politics long enough, you see that most issues are kind of a pendulum, right? You see crimes going out of control in the late 70s. In California, oh, you raped four women, well go to this class. And then And then three strikes come and they lock people up and all of a sudden crime goes down. And then reform comes about but you know, I've kind of probably the two most successful social campaigns that I've seen, like post the late 60s where there was a sexual revolution that was also largely driven by birth control. One was the stop smoking campaign. Smoking used to be cool all grab the dog used to be cool in the country. And it's it's basically has been stamped out the other has been the gay rights movement, which really started, you know, kind of, in public consciousness outside of very small minority groups in the late 70s. You know, certainly up in San Francisco and Harvey Milk, and push through, you know, and was the most successful campaign ever. I mean, if I put on a Facebook page, to gays getting engaged, they get twice as many likes as as if it's just a heterosexual couple, it's like they are. And I think that there's a little bit of, I think that that among many people who grew up in a church where they said, Look, this is evil, this is a sin, don't do this, and we're against gay rights for for much of their life, and then came to be like, you know, what, they're not hurting anybody, they want to get married, they want to, they want to live together, they want to be normal people, as you say, I think there's a little bit of guilt going on in some people's heads. And, and so that when they hear like, oh, transgenderism, or or this stuff is the next part of the gay rights movement that's kind of drafted along with that. I think that there's some reluctance by some people to be like, well, you know, look what they said about gays 20 years ago, 30 years ago, and and that's not true. And so let's just kind of stay out of it in some weird paternalistic way. Because it is difficult to understand why. And just, you know, YouTube is going to squash this thing and their algorithms so bad online, that you know, if anybody sees it, because the word pedophilia in there and all of those things, but but, you know, some of the stuff that I see on lives of Tiktok, for an instance of literally teachers, doing their getting them to pledge of allegiance to pledge their allegiance to the gay rights flag, or or, or the transgender stuff, it's like 20 years ago, people would have been burning down schools, and now everybody's just kind of like, oh, isn't that something flabbergasted
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:by? That's an interesting, interesting theory. You haven't I actually totally agree. I think what is happening now is that our society is overdosing on tolerance, or we have maybe to make up for past misfortunes and how, you know how people viewed gay people in the past. But it's actually really shocking to me to see people, you know, good heart, a lot of these people are good hearted people, the parents, you know, a lot of them just want to do what's best for their kids, but they think that you cannot be accepting or, or tolerant, unless you, you know, are fully on board with the sick agenda. And it has been hijacked. I mean, the community has been hijacked, it's no longer about, about just respecting others and treating everybody the same, you know, there is a superiority going on within, like you said, like, a video gets doubled the likes, if it's, you know, a gay couple versus a straight couple. And, yeah, I think that's a really big problem. And I think, you know, it's kind of like what we see almost, with what's happening in our society with black people, you know, like, kind of like white liberals overcompensating and wanting to just, you know, just reparations, for example, you know, California's is getting ready to roll out $50 billion, I think of reparations towards black people, you know, they were California never had slaves, the people that are getting the reparations never were slaves, the people paying never own slaves. So it's like, I think that society does a lot of overcompensating to try and move past, you know, discrepancies or errors that we made in the past. And it's very dangerous, no matter where you're coming from, I mean, whether it's, you know, the black community, or whether it's our community, it's just, it's, you know, we can just move forward be like, That's in the past, look how far we've come. And that's what we say, you know, we're like, we achieved our equal rights, like, we actually did it, we won the fight. It's amazing. We did it. And now we're here and it's like, let's just move on, you know, like the way to, to forgive that or make that right isn't to now you know, convert children, which is what this is, it's like new conversion therapy. You know, transitioning kids, except this one is way worse because the old school can Conversion therapy didn't involve cutting body parts off or sterilizing them with, you know, chemical castration drugs. So it's just a mess. And I think that that actually, we could talk about the parent issue with that too, like, with, first of all, I think the parent issue is twofold. I think that there are some parents that see like, they really want to be included in the LGBTQI evergrowing. Acronym community, you know, and straight people kind of can do that now. Like, just by saying, Oh, they're queer, or, Oh, they identify with that. And I think that many of them are actually using their children as a way to like gain woke points, right? No, I think they're doing that to gain woke points.
Ken LaCorte:Like, why celebrities were adopted all those black kids for a while?
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Exactly, like kind of show? Look, I'm the cool mom on the black with two trans kids, you know, and they're, and like I said, some of the parents are well meaning and they really think they're being brainwashed, you know, because you see it everywhere. I mean, the same.
Ken LaCorte:I've seen friends or colleagues of mine, former colleagues of mine online with three year old kids that they were that they were already touting as transgender. And it's like, yeah, that's like having a vegan cat. It's like, No, it wasn't the cats. It wasn't the cats decision. Right? Right. And
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:I don't know if these parents like really think they're doing the right thing. But they're being really misguided, like, you know, with the COVID. And so many people bought into the lie of, you know, COVID in the vaccine, I don't know your status. I'm just, you know, I'm just saying that, like, there was a lot of misinformation out there. And a lot of people believing something was true, when are the right way to do something, when it really wasn't? And yeah, I think that these parents are being brainwashed into believing this is the only option, you know, the, to, to accept their kids. So there's so many angles to attack this issue from and to actually, like, get deep dive into what's going on. But yeah, the parent issue is a big one. And they're as much of a problem I think, as you know, the ones that take their kids to drag shows to I mean, we're adults and parents are supposed to protect their children. And right now, you know, whatever happened to state? What's it called? Stranger danger, remember, like, what happened to that now? They're just taking their kids to see drag shows, you know,
Ken LaCorte:the drag show one was an interesting one. And I actually did some research on that, because I'm like, How did drag shows and public libraries be a thing? It's like, this didn't just happen naturally. This didn't just kind of burble up. And, you know, I know most librarians are lefties, but it's like, if they didn't just stand up one say, you know, what we need, we need some dude in a dress, reading reading things to kids. And it was and I've read some of the the writings by some of the founders of the movements that have spearheaded that into into various public libraries. This, this was going back maybe four or five years ago. And there was a clear notion that, yes, the outside PR that we're saying is its tolerance, its diversity, it's all of those things. But they were very clear in saying this makes kids question gender, it makes kids be more open to trans it makes kids more open to see a guy in a dress and not not react negatively, but save you know, what is that and maybe become that I mean, it was a 100% this is going to help our community and help keep our community going by that and of course then, you know, City of New York gave them hundreds of 1000s of dollars to help help promote this and then they did what groups always do, they had to martyr themselves. So they found like some crazy right wingers against them. I think the proud boys came and protested one of their things, whoever the proud boys really are. And so then it was like, well, it was these It was these you know, these drag shows versus the far crazy right people who you know, wanted overthrow the country on January 6, so we're obviously on the good side. Right, but it was and I think a lot of parents were probably lulled into it because it's like you know I've been to drag show BINGO And Bingo brunch. And it was it was a such a mild amount of of sexuality, right? It was it was not a whole lot of that I wouldn't take my kids to that. But it but it's kind of campy fun. And I think that they kind of slid in under that prns of can't be fun and all of this but but it it had a serious it had a serious agenda behind that and it was you know, again, these are there's hundreds of 1000s of dollars going into these groups to then then go ahead and promote that. So who do you see so parents is obviously a big thing Who Who are your kind of target audience in other words who so you got the Twitter world you've got everything's been hyper politicized. Right? So right, you know, you you go out and say anything and you brought up COVID It's like, I believe this drug works. half of America loves you, because you're a genius. The other half of America knows you're going to kill people. Right? Whatever drug that is. Literally, if, you know, I could say, what's your position on hydrocal oxy core queen, and I know who you voted for for President. I mean, that's how politicized we are. So you jump into this, you've got the you've got the the hardcore left hating you calling you all sorts of names, you're now beloved by, you know, a mutual friend Tucker. And and you know, and Fox News is gonna pick you up, and you've kind of got that. But neither one of those two sides matter to the debate all that much in the sense that you're not going to, you're not going to convince the hardcore woks to stop. You didn't need to convince the others. So you as a group, and as a when you look at your goals, who's in that middle? Obviously, you said parents, I don't know if that's your primary thing? Or I mean, how do you how do you look at who you need to convince of what? Yeah,
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:um, well, actually, you'd be surprised. So there are the hardcore leftists that you know, are in favor of all this, but I think that they really are a radical fringe in their own party. You know, like, I know, the majority of Democrats, the majority of the country falls somewhere in the middle, you know, for the most part, and so we've actually had tons of Democrats, liberals, we've even had some communists, you know, people with the hammer and sickle icon in their bio reach out and say, you know, this, this has just gone too far. I totally support what you guys are doing, you know. So, and yeah, I mean, the people on the right, don't take much convincing of this, you know, like, actually gays against groomers is a nonpartisan organization. I personally am right wing, but we have people in our organization that or not, we have people all over the political spectrum. And we're finding and we found from very early on, that this is like the most uniting issue on Earth, because, you know, people really just want to protect kids like cutting
Ken LaCorte:open and screwing kids actually should be a pretty uniting 90%.
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Right, right, this shouldn't be a political issue, we don't want it to be unfortunately, it has become that as everything does, you know, everything is political. Now, you just can't avoid that. But we're really trying to stress that like, This isn't political, this is just a morally necessary position, you have to take to safeguard children, they are the most innocent and vulnerable among us. And they need protecting, they can't protect themselves, they can't consent to anything. They need to be shielded from this harmful ideology, and everything that comes along with it. And so, I mean, our target is everybody. I mean, we don't really, you know, I'm not trying to get through to just one group of people, I, I guess parents would be the most important that we want to hear our message the loudest, you know, because they ultimately have the direct ability to protect their kids, or maybe pull them out of a school or attend school board meetings and work to change the curriculum. We're also focusing on let you know, lawmakers, we are a see for what we're currently, you know, still pending our filing, it takes a damn long time to do. I wasn't aware of that when I got started, but we registered to be a see for so we can get involved, you know, politically and lobby in that sense, you know, with legislation. So, overall, I mean, I think the message is for everybody, it's for those on the right, that think that, you know, the way that we this is for people on the right to hear is that, you know, they are starting many people are starting to assume that all gay and trans people are on board with what's happening, you know, that we're just one cohesive unit. And the truth is, we're not a monolith, you know, the majority of us within our community actually oppose what's being done. And so we're giving a voice to that. And for the people on the left, you know, or the center, you know, just to just to bring awareness that this isn't tolerant, this isn't accepting this is crossing a huge red line, and it's child abuse. And we have to end it to save these kids. Because they're really I really think they're trying to, you know, wipe out this whole generation and the ramifications are, they couldn't be more dire. So,
Ken LaCorte:you know, you're one of the few people that I don't roll my eyes when I hear for the children because, you know, every politician does that. It's right. And anytime a politician says that, you know, we're talking about whatever we're talking about water or taxes or the national debt, it's always for the children. And the first thing that comes into my mind is Go screw yourself. Sure actually mean it because yeah, so So you picked a title for your group, that that is, you know, is highly inflammatory. Yeah, which probably helps and hurts you at the same time and In other words, I suspect you can't get into Charles Schumer's office. Whereas if you had some fancy sounding acronym of gays for the protection of children and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, they'd be like, Oh, another gay group, please come on in. And they wouldn't do it. I was not shocked, but but very angered when when I saw, you know, social media site read, it just banned the word completely. Unless you're talking about dogs and cats. So I mean, I literally before I came on here, I did a Google search, you know, we can search the site itself. All you see are pet groomers on that. Now, this is a a website that you can go to a subreddit for barely legal teens, where it's like girls with no breasts and no hair, they've got a twinks sub site, they've got a site where any young person can upload a naked picture of themselves. And there is no even effort to say this person is is of a certain age, you don't have to put in an ID and have to do anything at all like that. And yet, this is also the first group to jump on, or the first large, large tech site to completely ban that word how to how to how to react to that.
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:I was appalled. I mean, like you said, Reddit is a very filthy place, you know, got to do a little poking around to see some really disturbing things that are, you know, absolutely allowed there. But yeah, when they, you know, it, it just really upsets me to see these companies and just activists in general, saying groomers and anti LGBTQ slur isn't and honestly, I think people that say that, I mean, they believe they must believe that all LGBT people, you know, are rumors, or can be associated with that, you know, when you when I think of the word groomer, I don't think of gay or trans people, I think of anybody can be a groomer, you know, for a very long time that word has been around, you know, to describe child predators. And right now, it just seems to be coming so strongly out of our community, you know, all you see from our community right now, is the attack on kids. But no, I was absolutely disgusted by that. And then it got banned on Twitter for a while before Ilan took over. And, you know, that's very dangerous. It seems like it seems like they care more about protecting the feelings of predators and child abusers than they do children, safeguarding children,
Ken LaCorte:or they've been bred or they've been brainwashed into that concept. I mean,
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:I don't think the companies are I don't think the companies are brainwashed. I think that they're taking orders from pretty high up. I think that the general public is brainwashed. I think your average person that comes to me and says, You're anti trans, I think they're brainwashed. But I think that you know, it's very meticulous with big tech, coordinated to, you know, push an agenda, like we see with everything, you know, certain things, not to bring COVID back up, but you saw how certain things were censored. You know, you couldn't talk about certain things on on big tech platforms, when COVID was raging. So yeah, no, I personally disagree with that completely. I disagree with censorship completely in general, but I only see them censoring the word groomer, as a way to protect the feelings of predators, you know, and I don't
Ken LaCorte:know, are they doing it as a way because a bunch of gay people, look, everybody's looking to be a victim, every young person under the age of 30 is like, if you can be a victim, that's like a huge star on your thing. So and, and, you know, as you said, it's like, okay, well, there really not a lot of victims and so to be able to say, that's a slandering thing of our community and do this and then these these tech companies, you know, especially read it you know, they they're, they're sensors they call anti evil positions, you know, it's like they've really play that and I even think in COVID I don't think that the top that they were saying, you know, we're working for Pfizer right here we're doing this in their hearts because everybody I think murders convinced themselves they're good people. I really do. I will never forget reading there's a book called it's an old book Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People. And he starts off by by there's reprinting a letter from a guy who is talking about how what a kind and open heart he had and he never went after anybody who didn't anything and then he turned out it was like two gun crawly who wrote this letter as he was surrounded by cops because he'd already killed an officer that day. And you're you're reading like, what he this kind hearted person. It's like, if a guy who just killed a cop can explain to people in a letter how he's a good kind hearted person. I'm convinced that the sensors in Facebook are completely convinced like we're saving people from COVID. We are saving gay people from being unfairly called groomers, etc, etc. But it gets converted around and twisted around in a very real sense, but or maybe they're just evil? I'm not sure.
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:I think some No, I, you know, I think some people know, I think some people don't, but I would assume that, you know, orders from higher up are you know, because once there's an agenda, a narrative put in place, you know, it is it is followed very strictly by, by any buddy in a leadership position or anybody in control of any powerful institution or company. You know, they all parent the same thing. So I don't want to dive into, you know, conspiracy theories, but it's got to come from somewhere. But you know, I think that maybe just your random employee that maybe has a control on what gets censored and not maybe isn't, you know, they probably don't understand what they're doing is wrong. Or maybe they they are coming from a good place, but either way,
Ken LaCorte:it's kind of the same kind of the same net result.
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Yeah, right. And a child predators, right. So
Ken LaCorte:you've gotten zapped on a handful of big tech, PayPal, PayPal, zap to Venmo, which is owned by PayPal did that I know that link tree which I use, and now I'm mad and don't want to did any any progress on any of those besides besides Twitter?
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Nope. Well, Google banned us, you know, when I got banned? Well, I'm personally banned from PayPal and Venmo, too, I can't use it personally, like for myself, but when Yeah, it's a pain in the butt. But when when gays against groupers got banned from PayPal and Venmo. The following morning, we were also banned from Google. They corrected the error, whatever you want to call it pretty quickly, because we made a big fuss. I mean, we had already reached out. Tucker was already in communications with us to like get, you know, get the word out about that. So I think they wanted to avoid the PR storm. I'm not entirely sure. But we did get our Google account back for now.
Ken LaCorte:So passe they banned you? What did they do? What baggage from which part?
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:They just suspended our Google account. Like, you know, I had an email address set up with them for gays against groupers. In the early days, and I have a screenshot I posted it on Twitter a very long time ago when it happened. But it just shows like The the letter from them suspending our account. But they overturn that. But yeah, we've been banned from nine platforms now. It's truly insane. You know, isn't this discrimination like we're just a group of LGBT people? I don't understand how that isn't discrimination. But it seems like I said, they're siding with predators instead of you know, gate throwing gay people under the bus to protect, you know, the next next in line that are being shoved into our community and trying to become normalized.
Ken LaCorte:I read the advocate, which is one of the longest standing Gay, gay news outlets. Oh, yeah. They basically they basically blame Tucker for a lot of that, because it was like you went on Tucker show and the lips against Tiktok gal. And it's like, oh, look at all he's the nexus of the, of the of the anti homosexual agenda in
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:America, which I don't think so. It's actually really funny, because I was talking with Tucker, and he has his, two of his top producers are actually gay, gay men. And he has had gay friends his whole life. I mean, he's actually a really interesting guy. We I was fortunate to be able to have like, a long conversation with him. Not on camera, you know, but he's actually really good guy. And obviously, you know, he's smeared, but he has nothing against gay people. And it's, you know, like I said, we got banned prior to being on Tucker. So I don't know. I don't know.
Ken LaCorte:I think that was just another way to show that you were somehow evil. And or at least part of an evil lair?
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Well, the thing is, is like I would love to go on left leaning platforms and shows I have yet to be reached out to for any of them. And like you said, maybe it's something with the name. But when I came up with the name, the idea for the name, it just popped in my head, you know, because the word groomer was being used to describe this stuff, and it is grooming. And so it just popped in my head. I was like gays against groomers, that good alliteration, that is going to ruffle some feathers. And you know, and it just took off overnight, basically.
Ken LaCorte:Do you call it gag on the inside? Or
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:we just because it's hard to write games against groomers all the time, like when we're talking about, like, you know, we communicate on a platform like within our team and it's like gag, chat gag, chapter's gag this guy, and I kind of hate the acronym, you know, I wish but I can't avoid it. So, no, but you're right about not getting a meeting with Chuck Schumer. I mean, you know, it is what it is maybe maybe down the line, we'll come up with a more professional sounding name,
Ken LaCorte:or or you in or your work to get to get other groups on your side. I mean, ya know, we were, you know, how do I say not more mainstream because I think you are very, very mainstream. You're just portrayed as As as not that but to get more recognized mainstream gay groups on your side I think would be a massive thing for you. We're actually
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:in communication. I mean, we're allied with a bunch of other child protection orgs and, and people that are in this fight as well. But you know, gays against groomers, I wanted it to get recognition, I wanted to make a big impact and having that name definitely succeeded. That was accomplished. You know, when I first started the organization, it's it's really new, it's less than it's a little over six months old right now, I started in June of 2022. And, you know, I thought maybe in 612 months, we'd have like five or 10,000 followers, maybe, you know, some someplace would write an article about us. But yeah, it just, it's hard to keep up. It's a good problem to have, but we are busy. There's a lot to do. Yeah,
Ken LaCorte:you know, it's probably, it's interesting, you talked about that a lot of people, especially on the left, not necessary the hardcore left, but kind of like want to be affiliated with the gay rights movement or with gays in some way. So if they say, hey, guess what, I've got a gender fluid get in my house, they've done that. I wonder if I mean, to an extent they can get that through supporting you?
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Yeah, they show
Ken LaCorte:like you finally get to be part of a of a, of a gay rights organization. That's also interesting, interesting, we actually,
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:we're in the process of creating an ally network, you know, people that aren't part of the community that still want to support us and stand with us. So we're going to be offering that and yeah, this is a we are a great group to stand with, you know, it's it's time people need to choose aside because there's no time to really for apathy here, you know, for enact inaction. I wanted something so severe that we're facing. And yeah, if you guys want to want to get some points on you're
Ken LaCorte:gonna get some gay points. Come on. Come
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Come to us, support us and I always tell people I tell straight people are just, you know, just just if somebody is calling you homophobic or transphobic, for opposing the sexualization, indoctrination and medicalization of children, just point them to us be like, Look at these guys. They're gay. They agree. Like it's not about it's not about hate, you know, it's the it's actually about love. It's about caring about children and their well being and wanting them to be okay.
Ken LaCorte:Again, it's it's, I'm just sometimes flabbergasted that we're even having this conversation. You and me, just because it's, it's frickin weird. So where did the rubber hit the road on? Or does the rubber hit the road on on legislation and whatnot, I've seen some things come out of out of Florida, obviously, DeSantis is, is playing to the national crowd, and I am seeing Virginia and some other states what what kind of legislation are you seeing in areas? And do you like most of it?
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Well, there's this one trans rights activist that is like our arch nemesis, they from two weeks after I created gays against groomers, they doxed me, I made it like six years online as the guy who strayed without my last name being known. And then two weeks in the gag, there's the acronym again. It's just kind of a habit. Now, two weeks into starting the organization they exposed to I was I was gonna put my name to it and everything. But anyways, I'm getting sidetracked. What I'm trying to say is they have put together this extensive list of quote, unquote, anti LGBTQ plus bills in the country. And that's very helpful for us because it helps us keep track because they're not anti LGBTQ plus, they are pro child protection. You know, it's it's pretty much just to, to outlaw transgender procedures and operations on children. So that's a good thing. So we there are actually hundreds in the country right now. This topic is exploding, and we're staying on top of it. You know, we're in the process of launching all of our chapters right now, I think we have almost 20. And so we're trying to be in every state in the country, we even have some have some internationally and more coming up soon. But we hope to be there to testify in support, or in opposition to all of these to help a draft firm. You know, some senators have been reaching out to us asking for our opinion and our help and like, you know, what should the terms be basically? And so yeah, we're very excited to be able to be a part of that process. And that's what it's going to take, you know, ultimately, that's that's the end game is to pass legislation in every state. We would hope federally at some point, but to put an end to all of this because, yeah, I mean, you got to outlaw it because people are going to try and do it in whatever the way they can unless unless there's going to be severe punishment attached to it, which I believe there should be.
Ken LaCorte:You mentioned international how much is usually America. America leads much of the world and much of the world follows America. on social issues, not exclusively, uh, not all, are you seeing this pop up as an issue in in, in other other cultures? Or do you follow that as much?
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:I don't follow it as much. But I know I mean, I've heard from people that directly reach out to us saying that, you know, this is a really big problem in pretty much all Western nations. You know, you don't see this happening in China or the Middle East or Africa. It's very weird.
Ken LaCorte:Just yeah, you know, just like, it's like, you know, I don't like Putin, of course, every day. But then you hear him talking about kind of, like, the moral degradation and the, you know, he's got he's got a point there.
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:You know, you. Yeah. He's kind of on point with that. Not that I support Putin. But you know,
Ken LaCorte:again, you hate to be that something's wrong with somebody while they're there.
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Yeah, you can agree with somebody without supporting them. But no, this is this is a problem globally. It's a really big problem in the UK, Australia, even like Spain, we've had people reach out from even places in South America. I mean, it's really Canada. Oh, Canada is huge. You remember that teacher with the prosthetic Z cup, Z cup, doubles, ease, whatever. So it's a problem all over the place. The
Ken LaCorte:kids were threatened with suspension, if I took a picture of them and set it up. Yeah, I was waiting for that guy to come out as a LARPer. Right. I thought he was gonna come out and being like, I pulled one off on all of you idiots. I mean, cuz it was like, comically ridiculous. It was like, so, yes. I'm still waiting to see how that one ends. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's like some somebody who actually is the opposite of that, but
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Well, yeah, we hope but we started or we have a chapter in the UK, which is really exciting. That's our first international. We have some members in Australia now and Canada as well. So yeah, things we plan to have. You know, we want to have this be a global movement with chapters all over the world everywhere that this is a problem.
Ken LaCorte:Or Jamie, well, thank you for your time. I am going to let you go I'm gonna want you back at some point to hear how things are moving between now and then and that would be very cool.
Jaimee Michell - Gays Against Groomers:Awesome. Thank you so much.
